Sunday, June 22, 2008

Regarding Certain Cutting Remarks


Ok, they weren't cutting, not at all; but I couldn't resist the pun. A reader commented on our local "educational" show, Body Worlds, and asked why our local bishops have been against it. On the other side of it, I was actually surprised that they didn't speak more strongly. So, a few things:

First: the charge that the Church was against autopsies for medical purposes during the Middle Ages. That bit of pop-history is false (as is the idea that medieval people believed the Earth was flat. They actually had a good idea of its circumference.) Medieval men were not stupid, not any more stupid than their modern counterparts at any rate (and often less so.) For more on that you'd have to study, but here's a reasonable article by peer-reviewed academics. It gives a fair representation of how the period is understood by those who study it for a living (the whole piece is good, but check the part regarding the Dark Ages.) The article is here. But if this is common knowledge for academics, why would there be such a disconnect between academia and common history? My notions on that aren't at all kind, so never mind. (Oh fine, here it is: I think it suits most people to think poorly of their ancestors. If the people of yesterday were stupid neanderthals, we can forge bravely ahead into madness, right? It's more convenient to discount the past than to actually engage it.)

As for the Bishops of Edmonton (Latin and Ukrainian rite) and their document. If you actually read it, you find that the Bishops aren't against science at all; they are simply for humanity. So let's take stock for a moment. Here we have an exhibit of human bodies in various poses with all sorts of folks paying to come and take a look. They (the human beings, the people on display) gave their bodies to science, presumably for medical research, the training of doctors, etc. But that isn't what's going on. Instead we get something that really harkens back to a day when insensitivity reigned and people really were a bit nastier than today. What we have, ladies an gentlemen, children of all ages, is an honest to goodness Freakshow, complete with admission payments and snacks and giggling children.

Now, if there were something you could accomplish with plastinated corpses that you couldn't do as well with plastic models, I'd agree with the whole thing. But is this medically necessary? Is there any research going on? These were people once, with families, with dreams, and they died. A measure of a people is how we honour our dead and this is a contemptible treatment of humanity without any of the necessity of research or medical training, or organ donation for that matter. These aren't Med students filing through, gawking at the flayed corpses; it's regular folk come for a glimpse. It isn't a matter of rushing a heart to a transplant recipient. If I ever give my organs to some anonymous person, I hope he doesn't inflate my bladder and use it like a ball to amuse his children.
That would be medieval.

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

I may be completely wrong but I've also heard that some of the bodies used for the Body Works display were actually purchased from China. I had a read an article saying that they bought the tortured bodies from the Chinese government, and because the Chinese have no laws fully supporting human rights, it wasn't really a debatable issue.

Have you heard anything of the sort?

Mr. Johnson said...

I've heard the same but can't substantiate.

Azexis said...

Or maybe the chinese have learned the art of necromancy and they are slowing shipping in bodies into the west for global domination.

But seriously for a moment, are condeming The Space/Science centre as a heresy, or a sleight against God or...?

Anonymous said...

the chinese have always been adept in the art of necromancy,and they have many operatives working in north america(they don't have to appear dead to truly be so), but that's not the point.

not a heresy, but a sleight against the dignity of a human body. it's just another one of todays cheap thrills, a way of shocking people as it were.

Window_Bandit said...

I can understand your argument But... these are dead bodies, there is no longer a soul. In my view a body is only sacred and holy if it in fact contains a soul. Once the soul leaves all that is left is simply flesh. God's presence has left, and therefore simply a shell.I believe people are only uncomfortable with the idea of such an exhibit.
MR.Herbers

Mr. Johnson said...

Fine, Mr. Herbers. Put your money where your mouth is and imagine that one of these bodies is related to you. It ceases to be a "body" you'll find, and suddenly becomes "Aunt Lucille." She had a life, once, and though her soul is as you say departed, that body is nonetheless more than a mere bag of meat. The body, even after death, is more than an empty shell if for no other reason than that it's all that we have left. So, how we treat the dead is important. It's why you can be charged for interfering with a dead body.

And since my body is MY body, I get some say as to where it's buried, etc. Honouring those sorts of last requests are important. Very. So if you get someone to sign away their mortal remains for science they're doing something generous.

Taking advantage of that and making a freak show instead is dishonest, disgusting, and is taking away from people who can no longer defend themselves.

Now, Mr. Herbers, how many years does this money-making venture go on? How much money is enough for the show's creator? When the show no longer makes cash for its master do the bodies get shelved in some warehouse to collect dust?

We can do better than that.

Mr. Corrigan said...

The idea that the body, after dead, no longer has dignity is at least flirting with gnosticism. The gnostics believed that our bodies were just a holding place, a cell really, binding the soul. The soul is what is you, not body and soul together. The game then is simply to escape your body. Orthodox Christianity has always thought differently. Your body matters, stuff matters. Your body, though dead, still had dignity; as it represents an essential part of who you are.

Ben P. said...

Shouldn't the value we place on a person's life have some relation to how we treat them in death?

If I were to lose a loved one, I believe they should be honored for their lives and done so in a manner that they are remembered. Would that not honor their lives?

Anonymous said...

I just love how people have been charged with committing an indignity to a body for less. I find it funny the things people can get away with in the name of “art”

Window_Bandit said...

Indignity is shall we say necrophilia. I am no Gnostic, I hope Johnson that we can at least agree on that.

Anonymous said...

I find it rather hypocritical that the Catholic church is vehemently opposed to Body Worlds displaying human bodies for the public but they themselves display human remains in their churches for anyone to look at. Why is the church opposed to something that they have been doing for centuries? Body Worlds actually has the moral high ground over the Catholic church on this because at least the people being displayed have voluntarily agreed to it.
source -> http://www.hcn.org/servlets/hcn.Article?article_id=16342
The Catholic church has been found on more than one occasion to have faked their human relics which if anything should be something you're against, not Body Worlds.
source -> http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/1903.html

Further, you ask "But is this medically necessary? Is there any research going on?". I will flip your question back at you. What is the medical or scientific value of the Catholic church putting human remains on public display? You also assert that doctors and scientists are not the ones visiting Body Worlds. Do you have any evidence of this claim? You also say "And since my body is MY body, I get some say as to where it's buried, etc." Contradictory much? What if these people want their bodies to be in Body Worlds?

You can do better than this...